“The dam is breaking!” Have the Democrats reached their “break glass in case of emergency” moment? This week, Michelle, Ross and Lydia dig into the Democratic Party fissures, consider what could happen if President Biden refuses to bow out, and debate just how much this moment mirrors the Republican scramble against Trump in 2016.

(A full transcript of this episode will be available within 24 hours of publication on the Times website.)

Mentioned in this episode:

George Clooney: I Love Joe Biden. But We Need a New Nominee (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/opinion/joe-biden-democratic-nominee.html) .

The Case for Joe Biden (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/sunday/joe-biden-2020.html) by Ross Douthat

Ezra Klein: A Path to Defeat (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/ezra-klein-a-path-to-defeat) from “The Bulwark Podcast”

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