Did Liberal Feminism Ruin the Workplace? | Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Is society too feminine or not feminine enough? Two conservative writers, Helen Andrews and Leah Libresco Sargeant, disagree on the answer. They join Ross Douthat on the “Interesting Times” podcast to debate whether the feminization of institutions led to wokeism and a greater divide between men and women.

02:18 “Wokeness is distinctively feminine.”
06:16 Has liberal feminism failed women?
12:59 The feminization of institutions
20:50 Defining feminine and masculine vices
24:14 Toxic femininity 
39:01 Defeminization in the workplace

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