I joined my Times Opinion colleagues Ross Douthat and Michelle Cottle to discuss the debate — and what Democrats might do next.

Mentioned:

“The Biden and Trump Weaknesses That Don’t Get Enough Attention (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/22/opinion/biden-trump-presidential-debate-cnn.html) ” by Ross Douthat

“Trump’s Bold Vision for America: Higher Prices! (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/21/opinion/ezra-klein-matthew-yglesias.html) ” with Matthew Yglesias on The Ezra Klein Show

“Democrats Have a Better Option Than Biden (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/opinion/ezra-klein-biden-audio-essay.html) ” on The Ezra Klein Show

“Here’s How an Open Democratic Convention Would Work (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-elaine-kamarck.html) ” with Elaine Kamarck on The Ezra Klein Show

Gretchen Whitmer on The Interview (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/22/magazine/gretchen-whitmer-interview.html)

“The Republican Party’s Decay Began Long Before Trump (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/04/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-sam-rosenfeld-daniel-schlozman.html) ” with Sam Rosenfeld and Daniel Schlozman on The Ezra Klein Show

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